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Phillip Seymour Hoffman in A Most Wanted Man: After the torture

that went on at the CIA black site on Polish territory, can Poles trust

the United States? Do they have a choice?

 

 

Poland's CIA Black Site and Phillip Seymour Hoffman (Polityka, Poland)

 

"In the film A Most Wanted Man, recently-deceased Phillip Seymour Hoffman plays a German agent who, although he doesn't trust the Americans, is obliged to cooperate with them. … Poland didn't make a bad decision, when - like other allies -it signed up without hesitation to cooperate with Washington after the September 11 attacks. … Allowing the use of a secret base in Poland I would not consider a mistake or a problem. Were our decision-makers supposed to assume that the American secret services were there to commit torture?"

 

By Marek Ostrowski

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Translated By Karol Rosoliński

 

December 15, 2014

 

Poland - Polityka - Original Article (Polish)

The shocking report from the U.S. Senate reveals cruelty, arbitrary violence and dishonesty on the part of some in the American intelligence services. One has to respect this high-level body for revealing CIA's methods, despite knowing it will not buoy supporters of the United States around the world. This is about Bush's America, not Obama's. President Obama himself has condemned torture and forbade its use.

 

Americans will resolve their problems with intelligence services themselves, and Poland will do the same. It would likely be helpful for us to prepare our own report showing what Polish authorities knew about American torture. It is an amazing coincidence that today's edition of Polityka the same time as the release of the film A Most Wanted Man, a thriller based on the novel by John le Carré. In the film, recently-deceased Phillip Seymour Hoffman plays a German agent who, although he doesn't trust the Americans, is obliged to cooperate with them. The German wants to complete his intelligence task with finesse, "with a velvet glove." You will have to find out yourselves if he succeeds. If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.

 

 

The question is whether our leaders at the time - former [President] Kwaśniewski or former [Prime Minister] Miller - have seen the film. Of course, the film and the le Carré novel emerged much later than the torture the report refers to, and they are both works of fiction. However, le Carré - the master of crime fiction - didn't just pluck his ideas out of thin air. He can read the atmosphere better than any politician.

 

This leads us to a few obvious conclusions. Poland didn't make a bad decision, when - like other allies -it signed up without hesitation to cooperate with Washington after the September 11 attacks. Allowing the use of a secret base in Poland I would not consider a mistake or a problem. Were our decision-makers supposed to assume that the American secret services were there to commit torture or that they aren't trustworthy?

 

Was it necessary to demand full accounting of the actions of the American secret services? The Senate report – assuming that the relevant passages refer to Poland – indicates that our authorities at some point wanted a document signed that would clarify the roles and responsibilities of both parties - but the Americans didn't agree to that. Should Poland have demanded that the base be liquidated?

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Let me remind you that for years, all political forces in Poland have striven to obtain a permanent presence for U.S. forces in the country. That is even more the case today, in the face of Russia's aggressive actions. Allied cooperation is a necessity. And it may sound naive, but one must keep watch over the hands of our allies.

 

Based on the movie quoted here, one cannot draw the conclusion that Americans are devils and its better not to be in cahoots with them. We all have trouble controlling our intelligence services. President Harry Truman even said he didn't want a Gestapo or secret police at home, but he didn't abolish the secret services. Isn't it a hypocrisy when we all demand civilized legal norms for the fight against crime, but we don't do the same for our intelligence services?

 

And one more thing. It is easy to adopt an attitude of: "I condemn and don't want to have to do deal with it." The latest example: President Obama was looking for countries to which he could send Guantanamo prisoners. There are still 70 people there who four years ago has already qualified for release. Republicans don't want to allow them on U.S. soil and sending them to Syria, Iraq or Pakistan is most often out of the question. This year, a few found refuge in Qatar, Slovakia and even Georgia. How many of us would support the idea to offering them asylum in Poland?

 

 

SEE ALSO ON THIS:
Polityka, Poland: Kwasniewski: 'Sadist' CIA Should Be Shuttered; Denies Knowledge of Torture
Gazeta Wyborcza, Poland: Former President Kwasniewski Admits Approving CIA Prisons
Gazeta Wyborcza, Poland: Poland Itself Must Investigate Secret CIA Prisons
Gazeta Wyborcza, Poland: Poland Beware: American Colossus Changes Course
Le Monde, France: Torture and the Fallacy of the 'Ticking Time Bomb'
Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Germany: On Torture, Kremlin Should Lead by Example!
Folha, Brazil: U.S. Schools Brazil on Confronting Stain of Torture
News, Switzerland: In Praise of the U.S. Senate's CIA Torture Report
L'Orient Le Jour, Lebanon: 'Success' of CIA Torture: Raises Anti-Americanism to its 'Zenith'
Gazeta Wyborcza, Poland: Former President Kwasniewski Admits Approving CIA Prisons
Gazeta Wyborcza, Poland: Poland Itself Must Investigate Secret CIA Prisons
Gazeta Wyborcza, Poland: Poland Beware: American Colossus Changes Course
Khaleej Times, U.A.E.: Tales of Torture: A 'Betrayal of the American Revolution'
U.N., Intl. Terr., Geneva: 'Those Behind CIA 'Criminal Conspiracy' Must Face Penalties': U.N.
El Pais, Spain: CIA Torture Report: Now is Obama's Chance to Shutter Guantanamo
NRC Handelsblad, The Netherlands: No Leniency for CIA Torture
Le Monde, France: Report Confirms CIA Ran Secret Prisons in Poland, Romania
Le Monde, France: Governments Across Europe Investigate CIA 'Renditions'
La Jornada, Mexico: Loughner - Carriles: Two Terrorists, One U.S. Double Standard
La Stampa, Italy: Now, Italy Must Gird for the Repercussions Over CIA Convictions  
Publico, Spain: Torture Charges Filed Against Bush Legal Team; Judge Garzon Handles Case

Die Welt, Germany: A Disgrace to the West: CIA Doctors Helped With Torture

Financial Times Deutschland, Germany: Obama: Inviting the Next Torture Scandal  

Die Tageszeitung, Germany: America and Torture: 'Just Following Orders'
Hurriyet, Turkey: Dick Cheney's Torture Logic is 'Deeply Offensive'
La Repubblica, Italy: With Robert Seldon Lady, America 'Humiliates' Italy
Gazzetta del Sud, Italy: Former CIA Station Chief Held in Panama Over Italy 'Rendition'
La Stampa, Italy: Now, Italy Must Gird for the Repercussions Over CIA Convictions
Corriere Della Serra, Italy: CIA Agents Convicted of Kidnapping; Italian Officials Walk Free
Corriere Della Serra, Italy: Ex-Intelligence Chief, CIA Agents Indicted for Kidnapping
Le Monde Diplomatique, France: The Law Will Catch Up With CIA's European 'Accomplices'
Izvestia, Russia: 'Servile Europeans' Inflict Huge Insult on Bolivians
Corriere Della Serra, Italy: U.S. Must Fess Up to CIA Kidnapping on Italian Soil
La Repubblica, Italy: Italy's Spymasters Arrested for Aiding CIA Kidnappings
Digital Journal, Canada: U.S. Double Standard - Snowden, Seldon Lady and Jose Carriles

Guardian Unlimited, U.K.: Criminal Justice Rendered Impotent

Publico, Spain: Torture Charges Filed Against Bush Legal Team

Corriere Della Sera, Italy: Italy Says CIA Guilty of Abduction, Issues Europe-Wide Arrest Warrants

Corriere Della Sera, Italy: U.S. Must Fess Up to CIA Kidnapping on Italian Soil

Tageblatt, Luxembourg: Europe Investigator Into CIA Activity Comes Under Criticism

Le Monde, France: Governments Across Europe Investigate CIA 'Renditions'

Le Monde Diplomatique, France: Law Will Catch Up With CIA's European 'Accomplices'

La Repubblica, Italy: Italy's Spymasters Arrested for Aiding CIA Kidnappings

Corriere Della Sera, Italy: Ex-Intelligence Chief, CIA Agents Indicted for Kidnapping

Corriere Della Sera, Italy: U.S. Must Fess Up to CIA Kidnapping on Italian Soil

 

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