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At the height of the Iraq War, Polish President Aleksander

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President Kwasniewski: 'Sadist' CIA Should Be Shuttered; Denies Knowledge of Torture (Polityka, Poland)

 

"It was a matter of 'higher necessity' we didn't do it on a whim. It was not our intention to accommodate sadists! This is a real catastrophe for the United States, the CIA and George W. Bush. We agreed to closer cooperation believing that America, a democratic country, would honor the law. We had no basis to believe that the American authorities would accept, support and conceal illegal activities." -- Former President Aleksander Kwaśniewski answering TOK FM Morning host and Polityka journalist Jacek Żakowski

 

Translated By Halszka Czarnocka

 

December 11, 2014

 

Poland - Polityka - Original Article (Polish)

On December 9, the U.S. Senate released a voluminous report about the CIA's use of torture. The document comprises 6,700 pages and offers an account of the interrogation methods used by the agency at its secret facilities abroad after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. The president at that time was George W. Bush - although he was supposedly unaware of the practices as applied.

 

There are no locations named in the report as they have all been redacted. Nevertheless, experts see a Polish connection.

 

Aleksander Kwaśniewski, Jacek Żakowski's Morning guest on Radio TOK FM, recalled the historical context of those events. The terrorist attack, according to the former president, was a blow "which no one had expected," that required an appropriate response. Hence closer cooperation among crisis management institutions became a necessity. "Everything else was simply a reaction to what occurred," he insisted.

 

"NATO announced a state of war, and invoking the Article 5 of the Washington Treaty, called on the allies to support the United States."

 

"In Poland, the key role was played by Stare Kiejkuty," Żakowski recalled. "Everything happened with the consent of the Polish authorities." But the president explained - in accordance with the rules of intelligence cooperation, "we were not informed of any details." He added: "Intelligence agencies inherently operate in silence and, regrettably, often at the very limits of the law."

 

 

SEE ALSO ON POLAND'S BLACK SITES:
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Host Jacek Żakowski challenged this assertion. The report shows that at a certain point, Polish authorities refused to receive even one more inmate. "It follows that the government knew there were inmates of some sort," the Polityka journalist concluded. "And then we accepted a cash 'donation' and became more 'flexible,'" Żakowski shot back.

 

Aleksander Kwaśniewski wouldn't confirm that the items Żakowski pointed to referred to Poland.

 

"I didn't participate in those talks, nor did I give any consent," he assured the journalist. The former president also insisted that he had no meetings with the CIA director [George Tenet] - and that his only negotiating partner was George W. Bush.

 

Was the Polish Constitution Violated?

 

Kwaśniewski was more interested in another conclusion of the report - that the methods applied weren't effective. "This is a real catastrophe for the United States, the CIA and George W. Bush," the former president opined.

 

Żakowski insisted however, "But is this not also a catastrophe for Poland? Our constitution has been violated and our country has been disgraced on the global stage." He also pointed out that the U.S. sought places beyond its borders to practice torture so as not to break its own laws.

 

The former president denied there was any breach of the constitution. This was all about the fight against terrorism he asserted. The [U.S. Senate] report, in his opinion, will greatly complicate this fight. Irrespective of everything else, this is a disgrace for the CIA, "an institution that should be shuttered."

 

The issue of Poland's engagement can be only decided by the Krakow Prosecutor's Office," stated Kwaśniewski. All other discussions, in his opinion, only falsify the events that occurred 13 years ago.

 

Moreover, the goal of the intelligence cooperation was not "torture for torture's sake," nor to satisfy the needs of American agents. Żakowski, on the other hand, called the CIA's methods "absurd and counterproductive. The result of the entire process was the rise of ISIS."

 

"It's a lot more complicated than that," Kwaśniewski objected. "The West is not the creator of Islamic fundamentalism. On the other hand, the problem of the Islamic State today seems difficult to solve. The methods used up to now have failed. What means does a democratic country have at its disposal to face the oncoming threats?" Kwaśniewski asked. Thirteen years after the World Trade Center attacks we are at a loss whether and how to react to the Ukrainian crisis or to the possible appearance of "little green men in Latvia. The beautiful principles of liberal governance are under threat," Kwaśniewski claimed.

 

A Higher Need

 

Żakowski asked the former president whether he feels responsible and whether he would, should the need arise, stand before a state tribunal. "Since the way we react to this report is not just relevant to this one case but to the entire evolution of our culture and public life," Żakowski said.

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Aleksander Kwaśniewski thought these conclusions exaggerated.

 

"It was a matter of higher necessity; we didn't do it on a whim. It was not our intention to accommodate sadists!" explained the former president. "We agreed to closer cooperation with the United States believing that America, a democratic country, would honor the law. We had no basis to believe that the American authorities would accept, support and conceal illegal activities." Poland's former president is convinced that George W. Bush's intentions were legitimate.

 

Kwaśniewski did reveal the circumstances under which Poland withdrew its participation in the U.S. program.

 

"Polish authorities" stressed the former president, "were unaware of the human rights transgressions, but began to fear that the CIA's activities were ineffective. The fact that the Americans acted in such a secretive way was disconcerting."

 

Poland's decision to withdraw its assistance from the CIA was relayed to the president of the United States by Kwaśniewski himself. Cooperation ended in 2003.

 

Kwaśniewski summed up by saying, "We fought terrorism and for the security of Poland. And we succeeded."

 

 

SEE ALSO ON THIS:
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U.N., Intl. Terr., Geneva: 'Those Behind CIA 'Criminal Conspiracy' Must Face Penalties': U.N.
El Pais, Spain: CIA Torture Report: Now is Obama's Chance to Shutter Guantanamo
NRC Handelsblad, The Netherlands: No Leniency for CIA Torture
Le Monde, France: Report Confirms CIA Ran Secret Prisons in Poland, Romania
Le Monde, France: Governments Across Europe Investigate CIA 'Renditions'
La Jornada, Mexico: Loughner - Carriles: Two Terrorists, One U.S. Double Standard
La Stampa, Italy: Now, Italy Must Gird for the Repercussions Over CIA Convictions  
Publico, Spain: Torture Charges Filed Against Bush Legal Team; Judge Garzon Handles Case

Die Welt, Germany: A Disgrace to the West: CIA Doctors Helped With Torture

Financial Times Deutschland, Germany: Obama: Inviting the Next Torture Scandal  

Die Tageszeitung, Germany: America and Torture: 'Just Following Orders'
Hurriyet, Turkey: Dick Cheney's Torture Logic is 'Deeply Offensive'
La Repubblica, Italy: With Robert Seldon Lady, America 'Humiliates' Italy
Gazzetta del Sud, Italy: Former CIA Station Chief Held in Panama Over Italy 'Rendition'
La Stampa, Italy: Now, Italy Must Gird for the Repercussions Over CIA Convictions
Corriere Della Serra, Italy: CIA Agents Convicted of Kidnapping; Italian Officials Walk Free
Corriere Della Serra, Italy: Ex-Intelligence Chief, CIA Agents Indicted for Kidnapping
Le Monde Diplomatique, France: The Law Will Catch Up With CIA's European 'Accomplices'
Izvestia, Russia: 'Servile Europeans' Inflict Huge Insult on Bolivians
Corriere Della Serra, Italy: U.S. Must Fess Up to CIA Kidnapping on Italian Soil
La Repubblica, Italy: Italy's Spymasters Arrested for Aiding CIA Kidnappings
Digital Journal, Canada: U.S. Double Standard - Snowden, Seldon Lady and Jose Carriles

Guardian Unlimited, U.K.: Criminal Justice Rendered Impotent

Publico, Spain: Torture Charges Filed Against Bush Legal Team

Corriere Della Sera, Italy: Italy Says CIA Guilty of Abduction, Issues Europe-Wide Arrest Warrants

Corriere Della Sera, Italy: U.S. Must Fess Up to CIA Kidnapping on Italian Soil

Tageblatt, Luxembourg: Europe Investigator Into CIA Activity Comes Under Criticism

Le Monde, France: Governments Across Europe Investigate CIA 'Renditions'

Le Monde Diplomatique, France: Law Will Catch Up With CIA's European 'Accomplices'

La Repubblica, Italy: Italy's Spymasters Arrested for Aiding CIA Kidnappings

Corriere Della Sera, Italy: Ex-Intelligence Chief, CIA Agents Indicted for Kidnapping

Corriere Della Sera, Italy: U.S. Must Fess Up to CIA Kidnapping on Italian Soil

 

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